Openness Is the New Mindfulness With Jonathan Schooler

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How can we cultivate more openness in our lives? In this episode, Dr. Diana Hill explores this question with cognitive psychologist Dr. Jonathan Schooler on The Wise Effort Show. They delve into the essential role of openness, mind wandering, and curiosity in enhancing creativity, well-being, and empathy. Dr. Schooler shares his insights on the distinctions between openness and mindfulness, the science behind mind wandering, and his theory of consciousness. Learn practical strategies for fostering an open mindset and its profound impact on personal growth and societal change. Don’t miss Dr. Schooler’s innovative approaches to nurturing curiosity and his thoughts on the potential of AI in expanding human understanding.

In This Episode, We Explore:

  • Openness vs. Mindfulness
  • Cultivating Curiosity and Openness
  • The Creative Power of Mind Wandering
  • The Role of Resonance in Communication
  • The Impact of AI on Human Curiosity

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