What does it mean to interact in a secure way from a centered, wise space? According to Dr. Ann Kelley, co-author of Secure Relating and co-host of the popular podcast Therapist Uncensored, we all move in and out of secure and insecure patterns in our relationships. Ann’s modern take on attachment theory moves us from rigid categories into a more dynamic, evolving, and systemic look at our relational patterns.

Listen and learn:

  • What is the Modern Attachment Regulation Spectrum
  • How we borrow each other’s nervous systems
  • Why sometimes it’s better to speak in sentences, not essays
  • The difference between leaning “red,” “blue,” or “green” when it comes to relating with others
  • How our nervous system is shaped by our environment, history, and context

Join us in this episode to discover the key to secure relating: identifying your nervous system’s protective emotional reactions so you can find your way back to connection.

About Dr. Ann Kelley

Ann Kelly is a licensed psychologist in Austin, Texas, specializing in couples therapy. She co-authors Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World, published by HarperCollins. Ann and her co-author, Sue Marriott, also co-host the indie podcast Therapist Uncensored, which consistently ranks in the top 10 of social sciences on Apple and has over 9 million downloads. On the podcast, they translate relational sciences, like modern attachment and neurobiology, into understandable and practical ideas to help us all live our most secure lives.

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